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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 15, 2012 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For LIAshes (and Pete L)

Somehow that one got by me,read it last night and found many interesting insights and tidbits.I particularly enjoyed your comments about Crosby's interaction at the 12/31 show.
We seem to fall in line on all the longer material.I enjoyed the 2 China Cat's more than you,I found them both inspired versions,and you made no mention of the Tennessee Jed's from 12/12 and 12/15,both of which I thought were really strong,Keith is all over the 12/12 take in a unique fashion and Jerry and Keith finish off the 12/15 version with a nice jam.I also enjoyed the Casey Jones from New Years,Keith and Billy both bash away gleefully.
What really got my wheels spinning was a mention of Hendrix in relation to some Jerry feedback playing,awhile back you mentioned an affinity for Jimi's playing and I think that would be a fantastic jump off point for an essay,maybe a comparison or study of Hendrix/Garcia similarities/differences,something along those lines.I like some of Jimi's music,but don't get the whole guitar god thing on any level.I know I'm pretty liberal in usage of your time and subject matter,but somebody's got to make outrageous suggestions.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 16, 2012 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For LIAshes (and Pete L)

Well, Hendrix is a god for me! Can't say more about that, really.
I'm not able to make a close comparison of Garcia & Hendrix's playing, someone more knowledgeable would have to do that. Stylistically they were extremely different - Hendrix was so much more into hard rock, R&B and blues, and hardly at all into fingerpicking folky stuff. Though Hendrix could drop into country-style picking from time to time, & Garcia also did slow blues like Death Don't sometimes. (And they both did Johnny B Goode...)
Hendrix often flirted with jazz, not only in his songs but also in jamming with folks like Larry Young (kind of the equivalent of the Garcia/Saunders collaboration), and even recorded with horns a couple times. You can find them both playing Wes Montgomery-style octaves, though much more often in Hendrix's case.
I might say that both were good 'support' players - having backed for years in R&B bands, Hendrix was very strong at rhythm backgrounds & fills.
It's in his most 'psychedelic' playing in the early Dark Stars when Garcia perhaps comes closest, thinking 'outside the box' in making strange guitar sounds - compare, say, the weird space-outs after the verse in a 1970 Dark Star to Hendrix's little space section in live I Don't Live Todays from 1969.
Their use of feedback is when the two touch hands, so to speak - but Garcia usually didn't extend & vibrate a single note of feedback (Hendrix's trademark), so I note it when he does. In general the Dead used feedback at specific places for a specific purpose, while Hendrix uses it all over the place, practically as decoration.
And I sadly have to say that Hendrix never got into full-band improvisation like the Dead did - he preferred to solo over a very rigid backing, and when jamming with others, it was usually in the taking-turns-to-solo mode. I can only imagine what Hendrix might've done if he'd ever picked a bass player like Lesh. (Though he did play with Jack Casady a couple times.)
That said, pieces like 1983 off Electric Ladyland certainly show that he could make lengthy, evocative soundscapes, given more time & freedom.

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2012-10-16 19:30:14

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 16, 2012 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For LIAshes (and Pete L)

While I am certainly not a Hendrix aficionado,I am familiar with the bulk of his material in studio and live performance settings,and understand there is little similarity in his and Garcia's playing styles,but you made some interesting points in your post about Wes Montgomery style octaves and both being good support players,I find Jerry's "rhythm" guitar work to be top notch.I listened to two I Don't Live Today's from 69',Royal Albert Hall and S.D.,and he does do a short Jimi style space at about 3 minutes,it's a volume induced feedback jam.Oddly enough what I enjoy most about Jimi's music is his vocal style,some lyrical content and his compositional skills.I think Little Wing is a beautiful piece of music.

I find his playing to be far to blues based and somewhat unimaginative,I know it is sacrilege to question the great Hendrix,but I have never heard him play anything that just dropped my jaw.I'm not trying to put him down in any way for there must be something to his ability because far to many great guitarists gush over him and call him the best,I just get bored after a couple of songs.

Thanks for taking the time to punch out a quick information rich post.

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